Subscan | Infrastructure Costs of Subscan for Kusama & Statemine Networks (from April to June 2024)

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I think this is too much given the low activity on the chain. NAY!

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Funny how subscan fees vastly exceed Kusama's income gained via core sales.

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I could not reply to the reply, so I'm writing here: what I meant is that those numbers seem inflated. I find it hard to believe that Kusama, that from your own charts has 1k active users per day, can do +3m queries per day. If the numbers are not inflated by the supplier, they must be inflated by 3rd party bots, which you should try to limit to let us save on costs, and you will do that only if we don't approve high spends.

Another potential problem I see in your metrics is the high percentage of 404 and 429 errors: can you explain those?

Regarding personnel costs, what was done in the 4 days per week that you are charging us? How much of the 600$/day are the people getting? Who are they? Are they real, different people? Are there efforts to reduce that cost? Eg. I believe there are many english speaking developers around the world that would happily take the job for much less than 600$/day, especially front-end eng., after your supervision of course..

Finally, I agree with Hitchhooker: you are providing a core service for many chains and you are doing it full time: you should consider lower cost alternatives (than reselling a cloud hosting) that you can also control & customize, to make it more efficient for us and more lucrative for you.

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经过AIWeb3 的Twitter Space讨论和社区反馈意见,AIWeb3社区决定反对该提案。以下是社区的主要意见:

  1. 按照行业标准,这个提案的收费明显过高
  2. 这个提案已经有了波卡国库支持,为什么到kusama上面还需要这么多支持哪?
  3. 有一些社区成员认可他们的技术和对波卡的贡献
  4. 听说subscan还有投放广告以及向平行链收取费用,能否分享一下收费的具体情况,以及是否收费可以降低国库这边需要申请的费用?subscan 未来是否考虑将赚取收入的一部分返回给国库?

我们每周二北京时间早上10点会在AIWeb3 Twitter Space上讨论Kusama的提案,欢迎大家参与讨论。同时,也欢迎大家直接加入我们的Telegram询问任何问题。如果我们对任何提案表达了赞成,AIWeb3社区也会提供中文社区建设的服务和合作,愿意帮项目方一起建设中文社区,希望波卡生态有更多成功的项目。如果被我们拒绝,也不要灰心,我们欢迎申请人代表来我们的推特space分享提案的亮点,同时也请记住,有很多其他的Kusama DV可能会支持你们的提案。

AIWeb3 Community Feedback on Proposal
After discussions on AIWeb3's Twitter Space and feedback from the community, the AIWeb3 community has decided to NAY the proposal. Below are the main points from the community:
"According to industry standards, the fees in this proposal are significantly overpriced."
"This proposal has already received support from the Polkadot treasury, so why does it still require so much support on Kusama?"
"Some community members acknowledge their technical skills and contributions to Polkadot."
"I heard that Subscan also places ads and charges fees to parachains. Could you share the details of these fees and whether these charges could reduce the amount requested from the treasury? Is Subscan considering returning a portion of the revenue it earns to the treasury in the future?"

If your proposal is rejected, don't be discouraged. We welcome proposers to join our Twitter Space to share the highlights of their proposals. There are also many other Kusama DV who might support your proposal.

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I agree with AIWeb3’s views.

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I have some concerns about the cost of the service, plus the volume in Kusama. In addition of that, there are other scans in the ecosystem that could provide the services.

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i think a fee of $10,000 at max. for 3 months could probably be justified.

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Thank you for the response. The most obvious unnecessary cost is the one day per week frontend engineer (FE), as pointed out by other commentators. Your product supports quite a number of different chains, so it's clear that a FE is needed for Subscan. However, saying you need a FE for one day each week for Kusama is hard to believe, unless resources are being somewhat wastefully allocated.

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